Yes — one of the few. in the United States. Lynn Griner at San Diego was one of the few, there was a, I think Snyder at … Pennsylvania … And Philadelphia, I think his name was Snyder, was doing some pathology. I’m not sure of his name, but I believe he was a non-medical trained pathologist. But he published some really good stuff. And I’m not saying that in a derogatory thing, he did do some pathology, and then originally the pathology at the National Zoo was done by the Armed Forces Institute of Pathology, which is right there in DC just 10 miles or so from the zoo, and then the zoo hired Bob Sauer and then we also had, Bernie Zuch, who was a kind of a consulting pathologist that was at George Washington, and they worked and found, did some really nice work on the lead poisoning that we had initially at the zoo, and the vitamin E and selenium deficiencies that we dealt with in both hoofstock and birds.