Then I have another great story of … When I was at the National Zoo, we had this orangutan that was born, and orangutans, you know, can get septic from umbilical infections, and this one had a swollen elbow joint, and we had some pus, and you know, it wasn’t nursing and it got an ulcer in its mouth, and so I tapped the elbow joint, got out tremendous amounts of pus, and put a drain in, and that wasn’t working, and this was right about Christmas time.