He really didn’t, wasn’t too interested in the zoo. And now Walker. Walker was an excellent mammalogist, as we all know. Now, he and Dr. Mann, this was an interesting thing I observed very quickly. Directors and assistant directors often didn’t get along well. Frequently, they hated each other’s guts. And that was true at Washington. And if I went there to see Dr. Mann, I didn’t see Mr. Walker, and vice versa. If I saw Walker, I did it at his house.