Hittson had been putting out this surplus list for the AAZPA. I had written a few articles for the, which Roger had published in the magazine. Well, he says, “You’re gonna put the surplus list, so you put it out.” Well, that made me, that was a committee assignment. And there were two or three other people, but I never saw them, Hittson never seen them. So I took that job on. That made me a member, I could go to the board meeting. So here is this young, snotty-nosed kid going to my first zoo meeting, actually it was here in Chicago. We had a board meeting, some hotel, and I got to give my report.