But I think we do need a publication.” At that time, Mark, there were new zoos popping up all over the country. There were a lot of new between, in the ’60s, there were a number. If I had the access to the public, to the rosters and all, I could give you some figures. But there were a lot of new zoos coming, and they needed help, and they needed something to study. And I thought that’s what we should do.