Walter was president of the AAZPA, and I was on the board. And here again, zoo directors didn’t, they didn’t wanna rock the boat. You know, a lot of them were in park departments. And their park directors, you know, they didn’t want them breaking away. They needed our money or something. American Institute of Park Executives, what we used to call AIPE. Walter took it as one of his objectives for the year he was in office. We were gonna make the break, get away from AIPE.
