He was the angel, the sponsor. And he used to come to the Fort Worth Zoo, and he would talk to me. In fact, he wanted me to come up there when Warren Thomas had left. But I wasn’t about to do that, leave Fort Worth. And I think he may have had a friend, a lady friend in Fort Worth. So I knew Kirkpatrick, and so I just told him no. Well, he said, “What would you do if in 30 days the society managed to get the city to make the zoo its own department?” He said, “Ogilvy has been working on it, but there’s been a lot of reluctance. And part of it,” Kirkpatrick said, “they don’t want the society to be running the zoo.