Zoos are so expensive and it takes so long to build a zoo structure that you’ve got to have somebody there for 15, 20, 30 years. Conway is probably the best example of that value. So 15 years ago at Fort Worth I was just beginning to get going. So at Oklahoma, I wasn’t gonna… There was a complete lack of continuity at Oklahoma City. And the society was very much against Ogilvy. And I could just see, you know, them turning on me. Kirkpatrick was the man’s name.