And delightful guy, he had talked, he loved zoos. And he’d gone to the Bronx Zoo, and apparently Bill Conway took him to lunch, took him to dinner, or vice versa. Anyway, they had a very good relationship. And he said, “You know, you,” oh and Mason. What Mason wanted to do, they had a society in Portland, and they ran the children’s zoo. But they wanted to take over the whole zoo. The same old schism. You know, city owned and all that.
