He was at Catskill and he was at Indianapolis, I think. And somewhere in Indiana. Frank, his background in zoos was circuses. His wife was an acrobat, I think. And so they come from different places, but he’d gotten some excellent experience at the Catskill, very good experience. And this is the thing, at least in those days, I thought that… I mean, college was good, but experience was, in a zoo, was even more. And hell, I taught biology for years.
