And so he says, “Well, call him up.” So I call up Campbell and I’m, you know, first name basis. And he says, “Well, what’s going on?” And I said, “Well, Mr. Hittson got relieved today of his park director duties. And I have one of the chairman of the park selection committee, director’s selection, is in my office, and we’d like to come out and talk to you. Or he’d like to come out and talk to you.” “Oh, really?” You know, you could hear the, you know, the interest building at the end of the telephone line. So in a nutshell, Charlie was, had his own airplane. We flew out there the next day. He interviewed Campbell. He’s very impressed. Campbell is, he’s not, there’s nothing…