Well, that was after the death of my mother. She died when I was 10 years old, and we had moved previous to her death, and I sold salamanders, at about the same age, 11 or so, I found at a lake that we had in my first 10 years. We had had a summer home on this lake. The lake and the area around the lake was privately owned. It was owned by a group of men in my hometown, and my father was one of them. The salamander thing came about. There was a concrete spillway between two lakes. The way that the spillway was constructed, it formed an excellent trap for Anoles lizards.