Gary Clark hired me as, I don’t know what you would call me. He hired me. I went out on a weekend, out to Topeka, and looked at the Topeka Zoo and looked at his problems, and told him what I would do. He did some of it. Some of it he didn’t. But he was a good friend. I didn’t have any contact to speak of with my former zoo director, Lawrence Curtis. I got help from a lot of people, a lot of zoo directors, and I took advice.
