So she happened to mention to Chuck Wikenhauser that I was available. And after a few months they were starting some education, they were trying to do the Zoomobiles out into the community. So he hired me at a whopping $2.50 an hour to go out to the different schools with a set of probably five or six animals. And do educational programming. After that, when one of the keepers left, and keep in mind we only had, the zoo only had two full-time keepers at that point. One of them left to get married. So I applied for the job along with lots of other people. Chuck hired me for that one, so I was a keeper in 1976.