A long time. I think I was appointed in ’82. 1982. And then when we developed that Zoological Society and we’re doing fundraising, the Zoo Society had hired a development person that came in. And basically the two of us, he would take me as the one who knew the zoo, so as zoo director a lot of my focus at that time shifted more to PR. And the development side. So we would go out and do programs and say here’s where the zoo’s done, here’s where we’ve been, here’s where we want to go, but I was like the sales pitch and he was the one trying to line some of that up and get some of the funding sources ready. I was the okay, Jan, you’re on.
