Well, when I went to conferences, yeah. Never when I was in Washington. My first AZA meeting was the year I went to Milwaukee and I got there and they said, “Oh, you’re in charge of enter or food for the conference this year.” I’m going, “What?” (chuckles) Luckily someone in the Society went, “Oh, don’t worry. I’ll take care of that.” (chuckles) Most of the zoos I visited internationally was, well, when I did the trip to China, there were several zoos included in that and visited on my own. Went to China with you. That was my second trip to China. And that was through the Smithsonian, so.
