It was a nightmare. When Ed Gould started, he said, “Well, you know, if you’re gonna breed animals, they should be together more than, you know, a couple of days a year. Get them used to each other.” So they did that, and we started doing that. And finally when they did mate, everything was different. The sound was different, you know, it was kinda like, ah, that’s what we needed, (chuckles) that’s what we needed to know, so we were fine after that. It’s kinda like, okay, then we can ignore all this other stuff. But we had, you know, they brought in Chia-Chia, the male panda from England to breed, ’cause they thought maybe he, Hsing-Hsing, wasn’t able to breed. And that was a disaster.
