As a veterinarian, and as a veterinarian in really the pioneer days of veterinary medicine in zoos, it was a huge opportunity to learn more. And so besides just treating the animals, and you know, for their medical care, I thought there was a big opportunity for, I don’t know whether you wanna call it research, but certainly learning more about the animals. And so I got really more involved with veterinarians from other, there were very few of us who were full-time veterinarians for zoos.