Yes, yeah curatorial staff, same way, because they, you know at that time there was a number of young curators, zoologists, different titles to it. But Charlie Hoessle was a curator in charge of all the reptiles, also he oversaw the education department, but he was curator of herps. Bob Frou was curator of mammals and did all hoofstock, but also primates and elephants and so on. And actually a guy named Mike Flieg was curator of birds at the time.
