But early on in my career, we dealt with a lot of animal dealers, that’s the way it was done. You sold and traded animals individually with the other zoos also, but a lot of times animal dealers were involved. And we had a Malayan tapir that we had on our surplus list, and Fred Zeehandelaar who was a animal dealer at the time, there were a number of them, and Fred had a lot of contacts in Europe. And so he bought this Malayan tapir to go to one of, I think it was the Frankfurt Zoo. It was one of the German zoos. And so I was veterinarian, this was early on in my career. I think I’d been there maybe a couple of years. Well Bill Hoff was director, so it had to be in the first two years that I was there.
