I wasn’t gonna say anything on the air, you know, who he was. And I’d say, “Well, he’s been an engineer for quite some time here, he’s,” you know, and kept avoiding their questions. But it was yeah, a couple of things that you have to deal with that you don’t expect to. You in your career, certainly as director, had to acquire animals from other zoos and from animal dealers. Can you talk a little about animal dealers, and the relationship with St. Louis Zoo and you- Well- Fred Zeehandelaar, and explain who he is, and what your relationship was. Well over the years, I myself was not so much involved in either the purchasing or selling or what of the animals. The curators usually took care of that. Even when I was over them, they still took care of that.