And so that’s what came about, and they hired Jeff Bonner as the president and CEO, and I was the director and COO, director of operations. So when Jeff and I first got together, and Jeff and I worked it out. And it’s like Jeff said, “Okay, I want you to manage the veterinary care, the research, the animal collection, education, finance, HR, construction, maintenance, grounds, everything else.” And he said, he’ll take care of development and PR, and I’ll take care of everything else. And I said, “I can do that,” and so that’s how we did. And so I, and the commission offered me a contract. They knew they needed me to stay, ’cause I knew all of the operation, and everything of the zoo, and Jeff didn’t. And so, and I stayed on for another five years after Charlie retired. Now this was a change, in all the time you’ve worked at the zoo under the various directors, this was a major shift in governance to bring in a CEO over a director, over the zoo.
