By the time he was ready to retire, yes. Yeah, we talked about that. Was he in favor of it, or- He wrote all kinds of letters of recommendation for me to follow him. So they did a big search. When Charlie was about to retire, they did a national search, of you know, anyone and everyone I guess. And Steve Shankman was the chairman of the commission at the time, and he pursued most of that, but he had a whole committee that did it all, and it was a decision of the commission. There’s a 10-member commission that governs the zoo, and they make the decision. And I interviewed with the search firm that they had hired and went on to, you know, proceed with that.