Again, I went to a lot of other individuals asked, “Well, what do you think about me doing this?” ‘Cause this was 1983, and I was, you know, well known in the zoo business at that point, and knew a lot of people to talk to. And everybody said, “You’ll never be able to do it. You won’t be able to work with Joel. I mean he’s just, you know, you can’t.” Says, “He’s brilliant, he’s the smartest guy almost, you know, around. But you just aren’t gonna be able to do it.” And I, “Well, I’ll see.” I knew that I knew Joel and I like him, and I thought, “Well, I can work with Joel.” And so I went, I said to Saunders, I said, “Let me see a couple of them.” And so they had a couple of the chapters already started, and I went through them, and there was a lot of stuff in there. For instance, the one on primates. Joel must have a photographic memory because he just, he knows, I mean he is just very bright, but maybe doesn’t, it’s all in there, but he doesn’t have it very well organized. So when he was talking about anesthetizing or immobilizing primates, he had a whole section using ketamine, which is the drug of choice for immobilizing primates at that time.
