But anyway, I was a veterinarian and I wanted to expand on my knowledge of what was going on in the zoo world. SSPs and studbooks were in their infancy at that time. So I begged Satch Krantz to let me go to the very first studbook keeper workshop. And so I went out to Omaha, roomed with Lori Perkins, and we roomed together. And there was a class of, I think 55 people who were interested in becoming studbook keepers. And so then I had to figure out what animal I wanted to work with. Well, Riverbanks had one of the best programs for howler monkeys, and they’re such a neat species. And so I decided that I wanted to work with the Howler monkeys, and so became the howler monkey studbook keeper, which was unusual.