And you’d go to these director’s retreats, we had a once a year meeting where we’d go to these director’s retreats and talk about all the issues that we dealt with on a daily basis. But it was fun because it’s the only place I’ve ever been to where the line to go in the men’s room was longer than the line to go to women’s room. You breeze right in the women’s room, ’cause I think there were four women vets, well not four women directors at that time, and it was all boys.