And so I started to understand that he’s actually all not bad. He’s actually quite a nice guy, but he’s just incredibly officious when he’s playing his role as chairman of the zoo. And so one has to, well, respected, of course, but I mean understand that’s the way the game goes. And so understand it and work with it. And I think the point is I was young enough to work with him, work around it. And I found that there’s huge benefits to that because he then supported me and he supported whatever I wanted to do. And so I could do anything, basically.