Suddenly, I see this guy who’s like so officious and suddenly standing up on his bench and shouting and applauding or telling them that they’re horrible. They should be kicked off the field. It’s just a whole new dimension to him that I hadn’t realized. And I think through those trips… And I did many trips with him to the states and to Europe. And I found a totally different side to him when he was non-officious. I used to go a lot to China with him to negotiate for giant panda on loans, monkey on loans and stuff. And at the end of the day, we would go up to our room.
