He’d seen a lot of horrible Asian zoos. And he had a very strict policy of not dressing up animals. Technically, he hated the concept of animal shows, but definitely if there were kind of chimpanzee tea parties, he had known of the chimpanzee tea parties in London and thought they were a horrible idea. So he had some basic ideas, but he wasn’t a zoo design expert. He had no idea how to go about it. Lyn de Alwis, on the other hand, was a very interested and concerned about design, designing naturalistic enclosures and taking that Hagenbeck principle and taking it through. So, yeah, he was a very strong-minded. Dr. Ong, very strong-minded, strong-minded character.
