Yeah, so as a professor of zoology in Singapore and Malaysia, although they had split as two separate countries, there were very great connections between the two universities, University of Singapore, University of Malaysia. And so we used to go up every year with his students to a place called Ulu Gombak, which is just outside Kuala Lumpur in the rainforest. And I’d go up with his assistant from his IMR, Institute for Medical Research days in Malaysia. And he was actually a Dayak headhunter prince. And so he was like dad’s laboratory assistant, field assistant. And we would go up earlier before the students arrive and build camp. And Uncle Ben as we call him, Ben Gunn, actually, ’cause he showed me how to shoot, taught me how to shoot a gun. He would set up camp, he would set up camp in one day.
