Since 1970s, and I started going to WAZA in 1980, that was my first WAZA conference. That’s 42, 43 years ago. When I first started going to WAZA and mixing with the International zoo community, I realized that… I wasn’t smart, but I realized that actually nobody had education officers in zoos. Nobody was talking about education. And they started to just talk about education in those days. Then in the sort of the nineties, they started talking about conservation and conservation was big. Before that, nobody was talking about conservation, absolutely nothing about conservation.
