That’s why I will always pick up a piece of litter in front of a staff member because it drives home the message that if he can do it, then I should do it as well. So I think that’s just something which I think is being lost in a lot of zoos. I don’t think CEOs even think about it. I don’t think the notion ever has occurred to them that maybe they should be doing that, wandering around and looking at stuff through the eyes of a visitor. And I think that a lot of that is also in the process of that walk around engaging visitors and engaging junior staff members that I love talking to the toilet cleaners.
