Terrible. He never. (laughs) He had a reputation. Let me, so here I am. I’m the mammal curator with no experience. So he would, say, contact or be in touch with the Lincoln Park Zoo, and he would agree to purchase, again, this was 1973, some saki monkeys from the Lincoln Park Zoo. So he would work with the zoo director and make these arrangements, and then it would be up to me to get them from Chicago to Columbia by working with the curator at the Lincoln Park Zoo. Well, so I was in contact with zoo curators all over the country ’cause we were building the collection from scratch. And two things began to emerge from those discussions, and that is, one, a lot of curators didn’t know who he was.
