It was like pulling teeth. (laughs) You know, I gave a presentation one time at a zoo directors conference on SSPs and how they had, how effective they were or how they had involved. And the first slide that I had was that famous Pogo cartoon slide of “We have met the enemy and it is us.” In the very early days, there was a lot of resistance. I mean, a lot of resistance from big zoos, some big zoos, medium zoos, small zoos, everybody. You know, I’m not letting some curator in, you know, St. Louis tell me what to do with my tigers. I think all of that’s gone now, I think. You know, I think people now understand completely the wisdom and the benefit of collective management. But in the beginning, some of it was comical, some of it was frustrating. But that didn’t last long.
