That’s all it was. Great people, I loved them all, but it was sometimes it was like beating your head against the wall. You know, and WAZA was really a club. It was zoo directors only. It started out as IUDZG, the International Directors. I-U, the International Union of Directors of Zoological Gardens. And I might have been in the last class who was admitted who had to give a paper before the membership on an aspect of zoos and be challenged. That was how you got in.
