I think there are a number of reasons for that, and I think actually now, and again, I’ve been out of the profession for five years, but I think we’re kind of moving in that direction. I go back to the whole debate, argument, whatever you want to call it, over protected contact and free contact. I embraced it immediately. (laughs) As soon as I could implement protected contact at Riverbanks Zoo, I did it. And I had colleagues who were smarter than me, (laughs) who in many ways were better zoo directors than I ever would be, who wouldn’t embrace it. And at the end of the day, when I really questioned them and drilled down on it, they were being told what to do by their elephant keepers. And I think in the early days of what I’m gonna call the elephant crisis, when we finally realized that given the current, or what has been the current rate of reproduction versus the challenges of importing animals from the wild, that, hey, we’re looking at extinction of elephants in zoos if we don’t do something. In those first critical years, I think there was a lot of decision-makers who were being influenced by their keepers as opposed to what was best for the species and the profession. I think we’ve gotten past that now.
