I think he was actually an attorney talking about human resources, and I soaked that in like a sponge. That guy was, he was fabulous. But now I knew some directors and people that I would call on the phone and just shoot the breeze with, which was kind of a zoo director’s disease. And Elvie Turner, who was the director of the Fort Worth Zoo, George Felton from the Baton Rouge Zoo, I can’t remember off the top of my head others. And then I began, okay, now you’ve got this thing. It looks like you’re gonna be here for a while.