He said, “This is Charles Schroeder.” He said, “You’re not gonna talk about this zoo again.” He said to him, he said, “If you want to continue in this profession, this is it. You’re done talking about Riverbanks Zoo. You need to leave.” And he did, never said another word. August, he was gone. It was ama- I mean, he had that kind of power and Mehrtens knew it. So now he puts an ad in the old AAZPA magazine. Executive director, Riverbanks Zoo, yada yada, yada. Contact Dr. Charles Schroeder, yada, yada, yada.