Dr. Charles Schroeder, who had been the longtime director of the San Diego Zoo and who had dreamed of and built the San Diego Wild Animal Park and before that had worked as veterinarian at the Bronx Zoo. I mean, he was just, he was a very, if you want to use the term Dean of the Zoo Directors. He was not only well-known and respected in this country, but also internationally. He had just retired and had, I guess, let Bob Wagner know or somebody know that he still thought he had something to offer, and if zoos needed some help, he’d be glad to help. And I think, if my memory serves me correctly, I think he worked as a consultant in Calgary, and they ended up, through his work, hiring Peter Carson. And I think and I’m not sure that he may have done the same thing in Los Angeles, and he may have hired or helped hire Warren Thomas in a relatively short period of time. Riverbanks, which by the way, was open as Columbia Zoological Park, it changed its name, that’s another story, was his third client. But also at the time that they hired him, he was in negotiations with, I cannot remember the name, a zoo architecture firm that was also doing some management consulting.
