So what was your emphasis to you to want to make this move from sanfrancisco to New York. This was a career move that you thought would be good why did you say working in new york was going to be a potential for me personally. I thought that New York has got so much going on there. By then I was reading international yearbook and so on and hearing Conways name and then when I went to the interview the man who was head of operations gave me a little tour around the zoo and showed me the aquatic bird house which had been remodeled by Conway in 1964. Aquatic bird house blew me away. The exhibits were just amazing. I hadn’t seen anything like that and I had seen a fair number of zoos but what they did there for birds, I don’t know, just mind blowing and I really wanted to go there.