I think that, well, one of the things that I really wanted to get to do was after seeing the insect house at Cincinnati Zoo, I said, “We can do that.” They did a wonderful job, but we’ll do it and we’ll put our own seal on it.” And I talked to Conway about it. Conway and I would get together when he was still there. We’d get together for lunch every week, one day, and most of the conversation was about what we would do over or what we hadn’t done. We had enough ideas for things to go on for another career lifetime. We both went the same way. We wanted to do new things, do things better. We wanted to get the World of Darkness. World of darkness was a fine nocturnal exhibit, but we wanted do things that we couldn’t do, what we didn’t know about doing in the late ’60s when I first went to the zoo.
