So once we knew that the females were going to protect them, and that the males were going to protect them then the juvenilis went in. And we raised we had two women that were raising the babies they had raised thirty babies and that added to a lot of visitors and people there saying, “You shouldn’t be doing that, its wrong.” But after you’ve seen a few babies die and there’s nothing you can do about it and then we blamed the old building but that was all we had we had to do with what we had. Then once we had a new building, moved them, never had any more problems. As far as I know there hasn’t been a hand raised baby in the gorillas 20 years. They’re doing it very well. And I think something that’s nice is that we had a closer relationship with the gorillas than what we had previously and they were more trusting of us. I know of the one female all the females were raising their own babies, there was no problems at all. We had one female and she raised her first one, he was close to four years old, he was pretty independent, then she had another baby and now the older one sees the baby nursing, he wants to nurse.
