Well I trained a few trainees over the years and one of the first things I did with them was I made up a schedule for them to work with the keepers re installation of the park so there was 3 days one building one keeper and 5 days or maybe 10 days in bigger facility where there was more keepers. And it was important for us top know what people who came from other zoos and I would do the same thing with the zoo director the get more than the keepers they also know the animals know where they coming from know how to keep the animals know who the keepers are know what the keepers think and I think its important I mean I was other than Conway at that time I was the only one that had been in another zoo so I knew a lot like he did about how people think what you expect from them and so on. I think it was always important to start them off that way I did it with everybody that came in and went from there to doing whatever we could as far as trying to get across what we were doing, why we were there and it changed a lot when we started getting more and more people with education and when we got women. Having women keepers, that was a no no for a long time actually I don’t think women even applied for the jobs but we got them and they worked out. They worked out very well. Because you’ve mentioned that did you hire the first women keepers and why was there a boycott or that they weren’t hired before. Well they weren’t hired in the mammal department. They weren’t hired because it was a mans work it was tough work.
