I had a lot of colleagues, a few I knew at the time who called me and say, “We’re never gonna hear from you again. That is professional suicide.” If you leave Fort Worth or that new herp building and all the exciting stuff that’s going on there and all these qualified zoo people, which was right, there was a lot of stuff. And I used to take the bus, the Trailways bus down to Houston and see John Werger and go over to Dallas and see Pierre Fontaine. and Alby Turner was over in Dallas at the time, and all that stuff and it was great. They said, “If you go to Topeka, that is professional suicide. We will never hear from you again.” So they kinda wrote me off.
