And when I had a chance to go to Fort Worth, Lawrence Curtis was director then, and it was a supervisory position, which today would be curatorial level. And Mr. Cully said, “That’s a totally different zoo, the way it operates, so I’d encourage you to go. I hate to see leave, but I’d encourage you to go.” Wrote me a nice letter. And Mr. Cully did, when I had a chance to go to Topeka less than a year later, then they were very supportive here too. So they were always very supportive. I’ll be ever grateful to them. So take me from this start at the Kansas City Zoo to the next phase leading up to when you became director. Well, I had that a stint at Midwest Research Institute where I got bitten by a red diamond rattlesnake.