A lot of people started out there that went on to do, the current editor of National Geographic Magazine started as a photo journalist here in Topeka, the Capital Journal. And they had great pictures and they’d run great stories, but you have to be honest, upfront and candid with the media. Because great things, you wanna tell ’em about all the baby animals and all the new exhibits and everything, but if you have bad things, you need to share that too. ‘Cause that’s life and death in the zoo. The weekly TV spot, I had a weekly radio program. The second longest zoo, continuous zoo radio program in the country. Who had the first? Roger Conant, Philadelphia’s Zoo. He beat me by number of years, but we were on the air for 25 years, I think.