And he was, we didn’t use the term nerd in those days, but if we had, he would have been the nerd. But he was a very positive, pleasant guy. And I learned a lot from him too. But then he went off to other zoos. So knowing there was no staff then, my heroes were the keepers. And I couldn’t wait to get acquainted with all these keepers who took care of these wonderful creatures. And in the mornings before work, instead of talking to animals, they’re talking about their car or the baseball game or their girlfriend or running out of money. And the mantra of many of them was quitting time and payday.