Being a zoo director is a glamorous job and being a zoo director in Topeka, Kansas is especially a glamorous job because we used to have a weekly TV program, and not long, but every week. And a lot of zoo directors said, oh gosh, I don’t like the fishbowl routine. Meaning everywhere you go, people know you, the zoo guy. But no, that always gave me a chance to get another Friends of the Zoo member. (chuckles) I always had an application blank in my pocket. And so on. And, no, it was a living, vibrant, channeling gene, exciting time, despite the frustrations. And I enjoyed every minute of it. I remember one time we were planning the rainforest, I was downtown in Topeka at the tallest building in town, which is 17 stories.