That’s a very difficult thing for me to assess. I’ve been out of zoo biz for 21 years. I’ve gone to some of the conferences, but not to a lot. I’ve been too busy doing safaris in Africa. I’ve not really kept up with the ins and outs. Things have changed. I think we’ve lost a lot of the comradery, but that may simply be because the organization is so much bigger now. The organization has, it has people associated with zoos and aquariums that all play important roles, but are well out of the animal area.