So that was a whole nother gamut of people. And AAZPA was still a subset of that. And I guess there were times when they would meet and the national conference would be held in the city. They didn’t even have a zoo at that time. Most major cities do now. And so they were very inconsiderate. So I think the feeling among AAZPA members at the time, it got to be, the feeling during the 60s got to be, well, we are chicks hatched in the wrong nest. We ought to be on our own, do our own thing, have our own organization, but we were tied in to them in so many ways, financially, membership-wise, publication-wise, we had some pages in their regular publication.